EdGoble Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 This subject is kind of so esoteric that it is a little bit difficult to describe what I'm talking about here. Let me just try to start by showing you this chart that I have put together, and maybe this will help relay what I will have a hard time typing in words here in a short description: http://alphabetorigins.blogspot.com/p/proto-sinaitic-lunar-zodiac-chart.html And this chart: http://alphabetorigins.blogspot.com/p/lunar-zodiac-with-modern-characters.html And here is my article that describes what the heck this is about in a lot of technical terms with all the evidence for it: http://alphabetorigins.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-origin-of-alphabet-from-egyptian.html Now, you will notice that these Zodiac charts has a general structure similar to Facsimile #2 in the Book of Abraham, which is called a hypocephalus. Just like a zodiac chart, the hypocephalus is known to be a star chart. And you will remember that Joseph Smith called the table in the Kirtland Egyptian Papers the "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar of the Egyptian Language." Well, so what is all of this about? Well, what it means is that there is a set of constellations, 28 of them, that are very ancient. These constellations mostly overlay the 12 regular constellations of the regular Solar Zodiac along the ecliptic. They form a lunar calendar that basically has one constellation for each day of a lunar month. They are found in the Rig Veda, one of the oldest sources of knowledge from India which as been estimated to come from 1500 BC or earlier. The oldest alphabet is known as the Proto-Sinaitic or the Proto-Alphabet. It is the oldest version of the alphabet, and is composed of a number of Egyptian hieroglyphics (i.e. each "letter" is an Egyptian hieroglyph). Some scholars had hypothesized that this grouping of Egyptian hieroglyphics had originally been selected by somebody in the Middle East in ancient times because they were a Lunar Zodiac. And they used them for letters based on the principle of acrophony. Up till now, nobody could pin down the correlations between these letters and the Lunar Zodiacal constellations. I found an approach where I reverse-translated or reverse-engineered the lunar Zodiacal constellations in order to correlate them to the letters of the Oldest Alphabet. What is the point? I believe that Abraham was the person that did this. He took a grouping of constellations and turned them into the oldest Semitic Alphabet, from which our alphabet is derived, and from which the Hebrew Alphabet is derived. Why does it have Abraham's signature on it? Because on the border of the the constellations of scorpio/saggitarius in the Sky in the Lunar Constellation of Mula is found what is modernly called Saggitarius A Star, or Saggitarus A*, which is the supermassive black hole at the center of the Galaxy. The constellation Mula is the tail of the scorpion. And right next to it in the sky is Antares, the heart of the scorpion, called Kalb al Akrab, the heart of the scorpion. Antares is in the Jyeshtha constellation in the Hindu list of the Lunar Zodiac, the name of which means the Eldest, the Chief star, the most excellent. This constellation in Arabic is called Kalb(heart), and in Chinese it is called the heart. Mula, the other constellation which is part of Scorpio, being the tail, in Chinese, means the tail or end, since it is the tail of the scorpion. In other words, these two Lunar Constellations are a ligature which together make Scorpio, and together they form all the contents of the Expalantion for Facsimile #2, figure 1 in the Book of Abraham: Quote Kolob, signifying the first creation, nearest to the celestial, or the residence of God. First in government, the last pertaining to the measurement of time. The measurement according to celestial time, which celestial time signifies one day to a cubit. One day in Kolob is equal to a thousand years according to the measurement of this earth, which is called by the Egyptians Jah-oh-eh. And the tail of Scorpio marks the spot for where modern science has determined that the Supermassive Black Hole resides in the Galactic Center. In other words, where some Mormons believe the Grand Governing Stars reside, along with Kolob. So here, we have an extremely strange coincidence, or an overwhelming piece of evidence, that a seer invented the Lunar Zodiac, Abraham himself, and that he knew where Kolob was in the sky and he created this list of constellations of the moon. And he embedded in the Lunar Zodiac the actual place in the Sky where Kolob is. Not only that, he was the inventor of the Alphabet. So it is fitting that some Egyptians decided to dedicate a custom alphabet to the Book of Abraham that they created, which is shown in the Kirtland Egyptian Papers, because Abraham himself invented the First Alphabet from a list of lunar constellations. I talk about this whole thing in my latest paper on the Book of Abraham which is on my Academia.Edu site: ]https://www.academia.edu/36428246/The_Principles_of_Book_of_Abraham_and_Kirtland_Egyptian_Papers_Symbolism And also these Zodiacal charts are found on my academia.Edu site: https://www.academia.edu/36737243/Lunar_Zodiac_Lunar_Mansions_with_Proto-Sinaitic_Alphabet_Reconstruction There are so many layers to this thing that its real difficult to describe what this is all about in this one post. But I have tried to scratch the surface here. Hopefully somebody gets something out of this, and can make sense and understand the huge implications of all of this. Ed 3
clarkgoble Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 5 hours ago, EdGoble said: Why does it have Abraham's signature on it? Because on the border of the the constellations of scorpio/saggitarius in the Sky in the Lunar Constellation of Mula is found what is modernly called Saggitarius A Star, or Saggitarus A*, which is the supermassive black hole at the center of the Galaxy. The constellation Mula is the tail of the scorpion. And right next to it in the sky is Antares, the heart of the scorpion, called Kalb al Akrab, the heart of the scorpion. Antares is in the Jyeshtha constellation in the Hindu list of the Lunar Zodiac, the name of which means the Eldest, the Chief star, the most excellent. This constellation in Arabic is called Kalb(heart), and in Chinese it is called the heart. Mula, the other constellation which is part of Scorpio, being the tail, in Chinese, means the tail or end, since it is the tail of the scorpion. In other words, these two Lunar Constellations are a ligature which together make Scorpio, and together they form all the contents of the Expalantion for Facsimile #2, figure 1 in the Book of Abraham: I'm not quite following. Could you spell this out a bit? The Facsimile is from the Roman period. I think there are ways of explaining that, such as John Gee has offered. But for the Roman period isn't Kolob as Sirius more likely? I know there's a FAIR page up arguing for Saggitarius but I confess I didn't quite follow the argument there either. This gets into the whole geocentric versus contemporary conception of the astronomy. My problem is that if we're talking Roman period, while there were a few heliocentric models, there's nothing like contemporary models, and most are geocentric. Particularly in the magic & neoplatonic tradition. I also don't see the connection to the script, which seems pretty plausible in its normal evolution without Abraham.
RevTestament Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 8 hours ago, EdGoble said: This subject is kind of so esoteric that it is a little bit difficult to describe what I'm talking about here. Let me just try to start by showing you this chart that I have put together, and maybe this will help relay what I will have a hard time typing in words here in a short description: http://alphabetorigins.blogspot.com/p/proto-sinaitic-lunar-zodiac-chart.html And this chart: http://alphabetorigins.blogspot.com/p/lunar-zodiac-with-modern-characters.html And here is my article that describes what the heck this is about in a lot of technical terms with all the evidence for it: http://alphabetorigins.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-origin-of-alphabet-from-egyptian.html Now, you will notice that these Zodiac charts has a general structure similar to Facsimile #2 in the Book of Abraham, which is called a hypocephalus. Just like a zodiac chart, the hypocephalus is known to be a star chart. And you will remember that Joseph Smith called the table in the Kirtland Egyptian Papers the "Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar of the Egyptian Language." Well, so what is all of this about? Well, what it means is that there is a set of constellations, 28 of them, that are very ancient. These constellations mostly overlay the 12 regular constellations of the regular Solar Zodiac along the ecliptic. They form a lunar calendar that basically has one constellation for each day of a lunar month. They are found in the Rig Veda, one of the oldest sources of knowledge from India which as been estimated to come from 1500 BC or earlier. The oldest alphabet is known as the Proto-Sinaitic or the Proto-Alphabet. It is the oldest version of the alphabet, and is composed of a number of Egyptian hieroglyphics (i.e. each "letter" is an Egyptian hieroglyph). Some scholars had hypothesized that this grouping of Egyptian hieroglyphics had originally been selected by somebody in the Middle East in ancient times because they were a Lunar Zodiac. And they used them for letters based on the principle of acrophony. Up till now, nobody could pin down the correlations between these letters and the Lunar Zodiacal constellations. I found an approach where I reverse-translated or reverse-engineered the lunar Zodiacal constellations in order to correlate them to the letters of the Oldest Alphabet. What is the point? I believe that Abraham was the person that did this. He took a grouping of constellations and turned them into the oldest Semitic Alphabet, from which our alphabet is derived, and from which the Hebrew Alphabet is derived. Why does it have Abraham's signature on it? Because on the border of the the constellations of scorpio/saggitarius in the Sky in the Lunar Constellation of Mula is found what is modernly called Saggitarius A Star, or Saggitarus A*, which is the supermassive black hole at the center of the Galaxy. The constellation Mula is the tail of the scorpion. And right next to it in the sky is Antares, the heart of the scorpion, called Kalb al Akrab, the heart of the scorpion. Antares is in the Jyeshtha constellation in the Hindu list of the Lunar Zodiac, the name of which means the Eldest, the Chief star, the most excellent. This constellation in Arabic is called Kalb(heart), and in Chinese it is called the heart. Mula, the other constellation which is part of Scorpio, being the tail, in Chinese, means the tail or end, since it is the tail of the scorpion. In other words, these two Lunar Constellations are a ligature which together make Scorpio, and together they form all the contents of the Expalantion for Facsimile #2, figure 1 in the Book of Abraham: And the tail of Scorpio marks the spot for where modern science has determined that the Supermassive Black Hole resides in the Galactic Center. In other words, where some Mormons believe the Grand Governing Stars reside, along with Kolob. So here, we have an extremely strange coincidence, or an overwhelming piece of evidence, that a seer invented the Lunar Zodiac, Abraham himself, and that he knew where Kolob was in the sky and he created this list of constellations of the moon. And he embedded in the Lunar Zodiac the actual place in the Sky where Kolob is. Not only that, he was the inventor of the Alphabet. So it is fitting that some Egyptians decided to dedicate a custom alphabet to the Book of Abraham that they created, which is shown in the Kirtland Egyptian Papers, because Abraham himself invented the First Alphabet from a list of lunar constellations. I talk about this whole thing in my latest paper on the Book of Abraham which is on my Academia.Edu site: ]https://www.academia.edu/36428246/The_Principles_of_Book_of_Abraham_and_Kirtland_Egyptian_Papers_Symbolism And also these Zodiacal charts are found on my academia.Edu site: https://www.academia.edu/36737243/Lunar_Zodiac_Lunar_Mansions_with_Proto-Sinaitic_Alphabet_Reconstruction There are so many layers to this thing that its real difficult to describe what this is all about in this one post. But I have tried to scratch the surface here. Hopefully somebody gets something out of this, and can make sense and understand the huge implications of all of this. Ed I am giving you a like for exploring the idea of the invention of the alphabet - not necessarily because I agree with you - but I do feel there is evidence that the alphabet was invented around this time. I believe there is definite evidence that it was invented by the time of Joseph of Egypt. So whether Joseph was its inventor or Abraham was, I believe it was invented as a result of the mixture of Hebrew ideas with Egyptian hieroglyphics - either when Abraham went to Egypt as you speculate, or when Joseph went to Egypt for which I find some hard evidence. What is the alphabet? It came from the Hebrew Aleph and Beit. It seems there is good evidence the Aleph came from the Egyptian hieroglyphic character of the ox head(which you depict top dead center), which eventually got turned upside down to become our A. There is evidence that the Greeks had a form of writing before their alphabet was formed. To date no one has seemed to be able to decipher it, but a few examples of it exist. It was obviously dropped in favor of the alphabet idea, which was I believe adopted by the Phoenicians. The Greeks copied it too - even in the letter names so their Aleph became Alpha in our English Alphabet. Through the Greeks and the Romans, the alphabet became what the Gentile west still uses today. So rather than believing that the Phoenicians invented the first alphabet like most scholars today believe, I am inclined like you to believe the Phoenicians merely copied a good thing, and that the alphabet had Hebrew origins - either from Joseph or earlier with Abraham as you speculate. With their alphabet rose their culture - from very humble and small beginnings - so we don't find lots of evidence for it in the archaeological record. It seems semitic peoples were experimenting with forms of writing other than cuneiform for at least a few centuries before the invention of the alphabet. Thanks for your ideas on these things. I am going to look them over. What do you think of the work of others who have looked at the proto-Siniatic writings as evidencing the invention of the Alphabet before the Phoenicians?
Robert F. Smith Posted May 29, 2018 Posted May 29, 2018 4 hours ago, RevTestament said: .................................... There is evidence that the Greeks had a form of writing before their alphabet was formed. To date no one has seemed to be able to decipher it, but a few examples of it exist. It was obviously dropped in favor of the alphabet idea, which was I believe adopted by the Phoenicians. .................................................. You are thinking of Linear A and Linear B, which are related Mycenean scripts. Linear B has long since been deciphered. There is also the 30-letter Ugaritic cuneiform alphabet of ca. 1300 BC. 1
RevTestament Posted May 30, 2018 Posted May 30, 2018 49 minutes ago, Robert F. Smith said: You are thinking of Linear A and Linear B, which are related Mycenean scripts. Linear B has long since been deciphered. There is also the 30-letter Ugaritic cuneiform alphabet of ca. 1300 BC. No, actually I was not, although I knew Linear A has not been deciphered. I was actually thinking about the formative years of the Minoan era. In particular I was thinking of the Phaistos Disc, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phaistos_Disc which was found alongside a linear A tablet, and which seem to have been preserved as a result of the Santorini eruption. A few other seemingly related finds seem to bolster my opinion that we are talking about a formative script here - perhaps a precursor to linear A, and something that would date appropriately to Joseph's day. A few other supporting finds I mentioned which bolster my opinion: "A gold signet ring from Knossos (the Mavro Spilio ring), found in 1926, contains a Linear A inscription developed in a field defined by a spiral—similar to the Phaistos Disc.[8] A sealing found in 1955 shows the only known parallel to sign 21 (𐇤, the “comb”) of the Phaistos disc.[9] This is considered as evidence that the Phaistos Disc is a genuine Minoan artifact.[10]" The Ugaritic alphabet you speak of is hundreds of years too late, although I believe it could be another variation on the alphabet theme already beginning to spread into Phoenicia as well. The proto-Siniatic appears to clearly be where the birth of the modern alphabet began, and where the Hebrews got the idea to apply picture ideas to alphabetic words in order to form a new written speech form to represent their semitic words rather than using cuneiform. So God did it too, and thus we have the name YHWH - behold the nail, behold the hand. Which fits the Biblical narrative that man did not know this name before Moses or Abraham. It is a name God gave them after He gave them the alphabet.
EdGoble Posted June 5, 2018 Author Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) On 5/29/2018 at 9:17 AM, clarkgoble said: I'm not quite following. Could you spell this out a bit? The Facsimile is from the Roman period. I think there are ways of explaining that, such as John Gee has offered. But for the Roman period isn't Kolob as Sirius more likely? I know there's a FAIR page up arguing for Saggitarius but I confess I didn't quite follow the argument there either. This gets into the whole geocentric versus contemporary conception of the astronomy. My problem is that if we're talking Roman period, while there were a few heliocentric models, there's nothing like contemporary models, and most are geocentric. Particularly in the magic & neoplatonic tradition. I also don't see the connection to the script, which seems pretty plausible in its normal evolution without Abraham. Dear Cousin, In the portion of the FAIR page that you refer to, if I'm not mistaken, I was the original author of that particular section that refers to SGR A* and S2 in 2011 (back when I was a FAIR Wiki editor, before things went down and I left FAIR for reasons that I don't want to get into here). Because this derives ultimately from my book that I will refer you to here. Since then, I'm sure that other wiki editors polished it up. No. Kolob is NOT more likely to be Sirius. https://www.academia.edu/34787463/The_Nail_of_Heaven_LDS_Cosmology_Metaphysics_and_Science This is where the pdf can be downloaded from. This used to be on Amazon, but I still sell physical copies to those who care: https://www.amazon.com/Nail-Heaven-Cosmology-Metaphysics-Science/dp/1456508229/ Even though it can no longer be purchased there, I can direct people to a place where it can be if they care. Anyway, I refer you to my book on this in the Astronomy/Cosmology sections where I review the Sirius theory. That's right. This issue does get into the Geocentric versus Contemporary views. It does get into the issues discussed in the first and second chapter of Astronomy, Papyrus and Covenant. However, the flaw is the binary assumption that we ought to think of this as being a contest between the the ancient geocentric cosmologies on the one hand, and the more contemporary ones on the other, as if they are pitted one against another. Actually, they are both true. Because one is a mere symbolical model of the other. But it is actually the polestar centric-geocentric cosmology that is the model of the literal one, NOT the flawed theory that Sirius is Kolob. The Polestar in ancient times was known to be a symbol of the throne of God (to the degree that some believed that it was the literal throne of God). Gee ignores the Polestar cult entirely. However, in my book, I show that John Gee is wrong, in that he fails to recognize that the Geocentric theory is actually Polestar-centric (not Sirius-centric), and that the Polestar is actually a geocentric/symbolic representation of Kolob and the governing worlds, while the literal system was literally a larger system that was known by revelation to some of the ancients. In other words, the geocentric rotation of the heavens around the polestar is a figurative representation of the Galaxy around the hub. And I present the evidence for that view in this book, that both the geocentric model, and the literal model were known to the ancients. One was a mere geocentric symbol of the literal reality. Yes, we are talking about the polestar-centric geocentric astronomy model on one level, which is reflected in the hypocephalus fro the Roman period, and Khnum-Ra (figure 1) is the Polestar, NOT Sirius. But it is also at the same time reflective of a different concept entirely removed from the Polestar, which the polestar is only reflective of. The contemporary models are reflected anciently in such things as the Sol Invictus model of the Mithraists, the "hypercosmic" sun, which the Sun was dependent upon for its light, which was a higher sun, and it was hyper-cosmic in that it was far removed from the realm of the visual constellations, and it was hidden from view. This is one reason why it was the Amon, the hidden one, the center of the hypocephalus. Anyhow, the Jyeshtha and Mula Lunar Constellations of the Hindus form a ligature (i.e. they are a combined in two) to form Scorpio, which is a marker for SGR A*, the hypercosmic sun. This is an evidence that whoever created the original alphabet and the Lunar Zodiac knew the place in the sky where the hypercosmic sun resides. Ed Edited June 5, 2018 by EdGoble
EdGoble Posted June 5, 2018 Author Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) On 5/29/2018 at 12:07 PM, RevTestament said: I am giving you a like for exploring the idea of the invention of the alphabet - not necessarily because I agree with you - but I do feel there is evidence that the alphabet was invented around this time. I believe there is definite evidence that it was invented by the time of Joseph of Egypt. So whether Joseph was its inventor or Abraham was, I believe it was invented as a result of the mixture of Hebrew ideas with Egyptian hieroglyphics - either when Abraham went to Egypt as you speculate, or when Joseph went to Egypt for which I find some hard evidence. What is the alphabet? It came from the Hebrew Aleph and Beit. It seems there is good evidence the Aleph came from the Egyptian hieroglyphic character of the ox head(which you depict top dead center), which eventually got turned upside down to become our A. There is evidence that the Greeks had a form of writing before their alphabet was formed. To date no one has seemed to be able to decipher it, but a few examples of it exist. It was obviously dropped in favor of the alphabet idea, which was I believe adopted by the Phoenicians. The Greeks copied it too - even in the letter names so their Aleph became Alpha in our English Alphabet. Through the Greeks and the Romans, the alphabet became what the Gentile west still uses today. So rather than believing that the Phoenicians invented the first alphabet like most scholars today believe, I am inclined like you to believe the Phoenicians merely copied a good thing, and that the alphabet had Hebrew origins - either from Joseph or earlier with Abraham as you speculate. With their alphabet rose their culture - from very humble and small beginnings - so we don't find lots of evidence for it in the archaeological record. It seems semitic peoples were experimenting with forms of writing other than cuneiform for at least a few centuries before the invention of the alphabet. Thanks for your ideas on these things. I am going to look them over. What do you think of the work of others who have looked at the proto-Siniatic writings as evidencing the invention of the Alphabet before the Phoenicians? I think that Goldwasser, Petrovitch, Colless and others who I refer to on my blog where I show most of my evidence, who have deciphered most of the Proto-Sinaitic are for the most part right that it it is the oldest alphabet. And they mostly show correctly which hieroglyphs the various letters are derived from. However, between these scholars, there are minor differences of opinion, but when one refers to the Lunar Zodiac, all of these minor differences could be settled. However, Petrovitch assumes that the Proto-Sinaitic only had 22 letters that matched up precisely with the Hebrew, because he is a Hebrew-phile. Other scholars recognize that the Proto-Sinaitic actually is pre-Hebraic and represents a much older stage of the evolution of Semitic and Canaanitic languages of the Afro-Asiatic family. This is the article where I quote and refer to these Proto-Sinaitic scholars in my reconstruction: http://alphabetorigins.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-origin-of-alphabet-from-egyptian.html This is the article where I give the evidence for the reconstruction that the charts that I refer you to are based on. However, my chart also contains some hieratic and Chinese examples of pictographs that refer to these constellations in the Lunar Zodiac for comparison. However, Colless mostly concentrates on the Cannanite Syllabary instead of the Proto-Sinaitic, assuming that the Proto-Sinaitic was part of that Syllabary, which is not incorrect. But that has led him to the assumption that the Proto-Sinaitic was not a separate list that existed on its own, that had a basis in constellations. In other words, while it is true that a form of the Proto-Sinaitic/Proto-Canaanite is part of the Canaanite Syllabary, it also was its own entity separately. Where they fail is that they did not follow up with Cyrus Gordon's and Hugh Moran's theory that the oldest alphabet maps to the Lunar Zodiac. I did. I have built on their research to show how these two lists map to one another. Another guy named Pellar and a few others have made attempts before me but failed because of incorrect assumptions. Pellar tried to use the Hebrew alphabet instead of the Proto-Sinaitic, and so he failed. Moran rejected the Egyptian origin of the alphabet, so he failed. Cyrus Gordon only noted that the Ugaritic alphabet was likely to be a Lunar Zodiac because of the number of letters. But once again, Gordon did not go into the details of the Proto-Sinaitic, some of which was available in his day, and Moran did not either. And so, they all failed to one degree or another. The Lunar Zodiac is both the key to completely deciphering all of the details of the Proto-Sinaitic, as well as establishing the original order for its letters. Here is my chart where I use modern characters to show the ordering of the letters: http://alphabetorigins.blogspot.com/p/lunar-zodiac-with-modern-characters.html I have also embedded the symbols for the regular 12 constellations of the regular Zodiac everybody is familiar with on the outside of the ring so people can get oriented for where these various constellations are found in the sky (because the two rings of constellations overlay each other on the ecliptic). In other words, the Lunar Zodiac is a set of constellations that represent parts of other constellations (mostly) along the ecliptic. And this is why I said, both Jyeshtha(Qalb al-Aqrab) and Mula(Shaula) Lunar constellations are pieces of Scorpio (the solar constellation), and when tied together, make one complete constellation. The Lunar constellations are sometimes called "mansions". As you can see, in this chart, I have mostly used Latin Alphabetic characters, but I have also embedded some Geez (Ethiopic), Hebrew, and Arabic (and a couple of Greek) characters where our Latin Alphabet doesn't have good equivalents, to better represent the letters that we do not have that existed in this alphabet. Ed Edited June 5, 2018 by EdGoble
EdGoble Posted June 5, 2018 Author Posted June 5, 2018 On 5/29/2018 at 4:54 PM, Robert F. Smith said: There is also the 30-letter Ugaritic cuneiform alphabet of ca. 1300 BC. The Ugaritic is a second-generation descendant of the Proto-Sinaitic, and thus, it has almost the same amount of letters.
clarkgoble Posted June 5, 2018 Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, EdGoble said: In other words, the geocentric rotation of the heavens around the polestar is a figurative representation of the Galaxy around the hub. And I present the evidence for that view in this book, that both the geocentric model, and the literal model were known to the ancients. I'll check it out although I'll confess I'm very skeptical that the ancients knew of anything outside of the solar system let along a galactic structure. At the time of the papyri in question (not that I am saying that has to dominate the translation) I believe the polestar was lacking and was roughly in between Polaris and Kochab. Although that might parallel figures 22 and 23 in the hypocephalus translated/explained as "This planet receives its power through the medium of Kli-flos-is-es, or Hah-ko-kau-beam, the stars represented by numbers 22 and 23, receiving light from the revolutions of Kolob." Edited June 5, 2018 by clarkgoble
EdGoble Posted June 5, 2018 Author Posted June 5, 2018 (edited) 30 minutes ago, clarkgoble said: I'll check it out although I'll confess I'm very skeptical that the ancients knew of anything outside of the solar system let along a galactic structure. I understand your skepticism, but with all due respect, this is because you have been conditioned by the one-sidedness of the scholarship you have encountered until now. However, this actually comes as a result of the fact that Church culture, as established by Gee, et al, has made everyone adverse to the KEP and its contents. If you study my quotations from the Astronomical selections from the KEP in my book, you will find that it is absolutely clear that the Galactic theory or some other gravitational-centric theory in the real universe is plausible from the quotes in the KEP. This is one of the whole reasons that I have reverse-engineered the KEP, to establish that not only is Joseph Smith responsible along with Phelps, but the cosmology that Gee incorrectly promotes is flawed at a fundamental level. Because the Astronomical/Cosmological selections of the KEP interpret for us what is found in the Book of Abraham and Explanations with much greater clarity. For example, this is a quote from the KEP: Quote Flos isis— The highest degree of light, because its component parts are light. The gover[n]ing principle of light Because God has said Let this be the centre for light, and let there be bounds that it may not pass. He hath set a cloud round about in the heavens, and the light of the grand govering of <15> fixed stars centre there; and from there its is drawn, by the heavenly bodies according to their portions; according to the decrees that God hath set, as the bounds of the ocean, that it should not pass over as a flood, so God has set the bounds of light lest it pass over and consume the planets.(http://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/grammar-and-alphabet-of-the-egyptian-language-circa-july-circa-november-1835/95) This cannot be interpreted as anything other than a literal reference to a place in space beyond our view with the naked eye, not to the place in the sky where Sirius is, which is viewable by the naked eye. The translators of the Book of Abraham are also the authors of this in English, who transferred an ancient piece of information into the English language. This clearly refers to a place in space where the radiation is kept back by a thick nebula, radiation so intense at times that it would otherwise fry us. That is a description of the fact that the Galactic center is protected and cannot be viewed by us except on certain wavelengths by our modern instruments, and the fact that Abraham had to see it by Urim and Thummim. And here is the parallel scriptural reference that it makes plain: Quote Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Or who shut up the sea with doors, when it brake forth, as if it had issued out of the womb? When I made the cloud the garment thereof, and thick darkness a swaddlingband for it, And brake up for it my decreed place, and set bars and doors, And said, Hitherto shalt thou come, but no further: and here shall thy proud waves be stayed? Hast thou commanded the morning since thy days; and caused the dayspring to know his place . . . (Job 38:4-11) There can be no doubt that these are parallel references. And if Joseph Smith and Phelps succeeded in transferring knowledge from ancient times in the first quote, which they clearly did, then the author of Job transferred the same information. Therefore, this is just one example where John Gee utterly ignores the KEP deliberately to the detriment of his audience, and to the detriment of the truth. Because in the proper context with all of the information at hand, one cannot escape but come to the same or similar conclusion that I have about the correct context of the Abrahamic Cosmology. With all of the references from Abrahamic-related material, it is made plain, and this is like quoting one part of the Book of Mormon and leaving out another about its geography. This is literally cosmological geography, and requires all the information available, not only part of it. Ed Edited June 5, 2018 by EdGoble
The Nehor Posted June 6, 2018 Posted June 6, 2018 A zodiac chart and a hypocephalus have a connection because they are both circular?
EdGoble Posted June 6, 2018 Author Posted June 6, 2018 9 hours ago, The Nehor said: A zodiac chart and a hypocephalus have a connection because they are both circular? Because they are both the same genre of object, a star chart with calendrical features. yes, they are both circular because of belonging to that genre. I refer you to Temple and Cosmos and One Eternal Round.
RevTestament Posted June 6, 2018 Posted June 6, 2018 20 hours ago, EdGoble said: I think that Goldwasser, Petrovitch, Colless and others who I refer to on my blog where I show most of my evidence, who have deciphered most of the Proto-Sinaitic are for the most part right that it it is the oldest alphabet. And they mostly show correctly which hieroglyphs the various letters are derived from. However, between these scholars, there are minor differences of opinion, but when one refers to the Lunar Zodiac, all of these minor differences could be settled. However, Petrovitch assumes that the Proto-Sinaitic only had 22 letters that matched up precisely with the Hebrew, because he is a Hebrew-phile. Other scholars recognize that the Proto-Sinaitic actually is pre-Hebraic and represents a much older stage of the evolution of Semitic and Canaanitic languages of the Afro-Asiatic family. This is the article where I quote and refer to these Proto-Sinaitic scholars in my reconstruction: http://alphabetorigins.blogspot.com/2016/10/the-origin-of-alphabet-from-egyptian.html This is the article where I give the evidence for the reconstruction that the charts that I refer you to are based on. However, my chart also contains some hieratic and Chinese examples of pictographs that refer to these constellations in the Lunar Zodiac for comparison. However, Colless mostly concentrates on the Cannanite Syllabary instead of the Proto-Sinaitic, assuming that the Proto-Sinaitic was part of that Syllabary, which is not incorrect. But that has led him to the assumption that the Proto-Sinaitic was not a separate list that existed on its own, that had a basis in constellations. In other words, while it is true that a form of the Proto-Sinaitic/Proto-Canaanite is part of the Canaanite Syllabary, it also was its own entity separately. Where they fail is that they did not follow up with Cyrus Gordon's and Hugh Moran's theory that the oldest alphabet maps to the Lunar Zodiac. I did. I have built on their research to show how these two lists map to one another. Another guy named Pellar and a few others have made attempts before me but failed because of incorrect assumptions. Pellar tried to use the Hebrew alphabet instead of the Proto-Sinaitic, and so he failed. Moran rejected the Egyptian origin of the alphabet, so he failed. Cyrus Gordon only noted that the Ugaritic alphabet was likely to be a Lunar Zodiac because of the number of letters. But once again, Gordon did not go into the details of the Proto-Sinaitic, some of which was available in his day, and Moran did not either. And so, they all failed to one degree or another. The Lunar Zodiac is both the key to completely deciphering all of the details of the Proto-Sinaitic, as well as establishing the original order for its letters. Here is my chart where I use modern characters to show the ordering of the letters: http://alphabetorigins.blogspot.com/p/lunar-zodiac-with-modern-characters.html I have also embedded the symbols for the regular 12 constellations of the regular Zodiac everybody is familiar with on the outside of the ring so people can get oriented for where these various constellations are found in the sky (because the two rings of constellations overlay each other on the ecliptic). In other words, the Lunar Zodiac is a set of constellations that represent parts of other constellations (mostly) along the ecliptic. And this is why I said, both Jyeshtha(Qalb al-Aqrab) and Mula(Shaula) Lunar constellations are pieces of Scorpio (the solar constellation), and when tied together, make one complete constellation. The Lunar constellations are sometimes called "mansions". As you can see, in this chart, I have mostly used Latin Alphabetic characters, but I have also embedded some Geez (Ethiopic), Hebrew, and Arabic (and a couple of Greek) characters where our Latin Alphabet doesn't have good equivalents, to better represent the letters that we do not have that existed in this alphabet. Ed It seems to me that another thing which shows a calendar connection to the alphabet is that several early alphabets had 30 characters. If each character is assigned to a day of the month, then you end up with one character for each day of the month in a long-count calendar of 360 days and 12 months, which dates back to Sumeria. Given their connection to the calendar and seasons, this makes sense. However, the 22 characters of the Hebrew alphabet seem odd to me, as they neither match the months, the equatorial constellations, the weeks, or other calendrical elements. I tend to believe they started as an idea of a cross between the Egyptian hieroglyphic scripts, and sound representations of cuneiform ie phonetics. As this idea grew the idea of calendrical representations may have become an impetus - like a symbol representing each god for each month. Of course the Hebrews did not follow that particular practice, but the idea was in the ancient culture of the day. For example the eye symbol of Horus became a part of the alphabet.
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